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	<description>I am a PR and love my trade. Nevertheless PR requires a reality check. We&#039;re about helping clients speak honestly, even robustly. People who run things have a lot of explaining to do in the next few years, so PR is crucial. I want a lively debate and I hope you’ll make it so.</description>
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		<title>By: Heather Yaxley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather Yaxley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree - there was classic us and them going on which creates barriers rather than healthy conflict.  I&#039;m actually in favour of conflict as it is the grit that can make the pearl in reality.  If organisations, and all the players inside and outside of them, are never challenged, they can become complacent and stuck in a comfort zone.  Then one day, they see the world has changed and its much more painful to address the challenges they face and get out of the comfortable rut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree &#8211; there was classic us and them going on which creates barriers rather than healthy conflict.  I&#8217;m actually in favour of conflict as it is the grit that can make the pearl in reality.  If organisations, and all the players inside and outside of them, are never challenged, they can become complacent and stuck in a comfort zone.  Then one day, they see the world has changed and its much more painful to address the challenges they face and get out of the comfortable rut.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Seaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Seaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heather, I&#039;m not sure we are really disagreeing, at least not much. Most of your comment supports my position. Moreover, I&#039;m all for having employees onside with their employers, and I believe it is wise to seek to keep them onside as advocates in the wider world where possible. I&#039;m also in favour of open, interactive communication between employees and employers, and I certainly don&#039;t believe in creating friction for the sake of it. 

But, and it is a big but, the world is conflicted, and conflict is part of reality. Let me give an example. My dad spent his life doing a job he loved working on the back of a London bus serving a public he loved to serve well. But he was a trade union militant who hated the bosses and everything they stood for. He would never have wanted to be aligned with their outlook - no more they would wanted to have been aligned with his. He moaned relentlessly about pay and conditions and management incompetence. Yet my father father was happy in his misery and dressed smartly, ran his bus on time, and never took sickies as a matter of pride (but he did strike, sometimes). 

On another tack, doing good work and feeling happy are very often - perhaps more often than not - not connected because somehow people just get on and do it well for selfish motivations or get fired or move on (all options facing BA cabin crew). There&#039;s cognitive dissonance there, and False Consciousness, too. That&#039;s us, we&#039;re not consistent, and we just have to deal with it. But BA and its workers both just lost the plot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heather, I&#8217;m not sure we are really disagreeing, at least not much. Most of your comment supports my position. Moreover, I&#8217;m all for having employees onside with their employers, and I believe it is wise to seek to keep them onside as advocates in the wider world where possible. I&#8217;m also in favour of open, interactive communication between employees and employers, and I certainly don&#8217;t believe in creating friction for the sake of it. </p>
<p>But, and it is a big but, the world is conflicted, and conflict is part of reality. Let me give an example. My dad spent his life doing a job he loved working on the back of a London bus serving a public he loved to serve well. But he was a trade union militant who hated the bosses and everything they stood for. He would never have wanted to be aligned with their outlook &#8211; no more they would wanted to have been aligned with his. He moaned relentlessly about pay and conditions and management incompetence. Yet my father father was happy in his misery and dressed smartly, ran his bus on time, and never took sickies as a matter of pride (but he did strike, sometimes). </p>
<p>On another tack, doing good work and feeling happy are very often &#8211; perhaps more often than not &#8211; not connected because somehow people just get on and do it well for selfish motivations or get fired or move on (all options facing BA cabin crew). There&#8217;s cognitive dissonance there, and False Consciousness, too. That&#8217;s us, we&#8217;re not consistent, and we just have to deal with it. But BA and its workers both just lost the plot.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather Yaxley</title>
		<link>http://paulseaman.eu/2010/01/ba-unions-in-retreat-over-cabincrew/comment-page-1/#comment-2993</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather Yaxley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst agreeing that the Union has not handled this well - I feel it could have taken a higher ground in terms of how it responded post-Christmas to take some initiative to resolve the situation more creatively than the same old strike tool.

But, I&#039;m not convinced that the lesson is to avoid presenting employees at the heart of a brand.  The issue with such approaches is a mismatch in reality and marketing hype.  If staff and customer service truly are at the heart of a brand then there is no danger in the public understanding this - indeed, they will be communicating the same message through word of mouth.

However, in the case of BA, I never felt that their cabin staff were even the best in the industry, let alone the epitome of excellent customer service.  So, yes BA did create a monster - because the organisation and its staff believed the hype and didn&#039;t match this to the reality.

There a a lot of other management issues at BA affecting the relationships with staff which has a knock-on to customers and public relations.  For example, I was on a BA flight last year when a flight attendant refused to help an older passenger lift her bag into the overhead lockers saying that if he hurt himself doing so, the company wouldn&#039;t support any resulting sickleave.  That created a very negative impression and was pure jobsworthness.  Obviously another passenger lifted the bag up.

Effective internal comms is not a  &quot;trendy PR&quot; thought, but good business sense.  But what that means is really engaging with staff and communicating more honestly about problems rather than just misusing the &quot;employees are our greatest asset&quot; mantra.  Survival of the mothership shouldn&#039;t be distinct from employee needs, even if that means some employees needs must be met on another starshipl or voyage!

For an airline, the staff are vitally important (even for Ryanair and lower service-oriented brands).  Their &quot;unhappiness and discontent&quot; does matter to the public when it results in service that is way below even basic expectations.  (We could have the Ryanair attitude to disabled passengers debate here!)

Being made redundant or putting up with lower standards of employment are frequently facts of our working lives - but organisations can still ensure they treat staff with respect in such circumstances.  Besides companies need to maintain the morale of those who are still onboard - whether that is the passenger or the airline crew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst agreeing that the Union has not handled this well &#8211; I feel it could have taken a higher ground in terms of how it responded post-Christmas to take some initiative to resolve the situation more creatively than the same old strike tool.</p>
<p>But, I&#8217;m not convinced that the lesson is to avoid presenting employees at the heart of a brand.  The issue with such approaches is a mismatch in reality and marketing hype.  If staff and customer service truly are at the heart of a brand then there is no danger in the public understanding this &#8211; indeed, they will be communicating the same message through word of mouth.</p>
<p>However, in the case of BA, I never felt that their cabin staff were even the best in the industry, let alone the epitome of excellent customer service.  So, yes BA did create a monster &#8211; because the organisation and its staff believed the hype and didn&#8217;t match this to the reality.</p>
<p>There a a lot of other management issues at BA affecting the relationships with staff which has a knock-on to customers and public relations.  For example, I was on a BA flight last year when a flight attendant refused to help an older passenger lift her bag into the overhead lockers saying that if he hurt himself doing so, the company wouldn&#8217;t support any resulting sickleave.  That created a very negative impression and was pure jobsworthness.  Obviously another passenger lifted the bag up.</p>
<p>Effective internal comms is not a  &#8220;trendy PR&#8221; thought, but good business sense.  But what that means is really engaging with staff and communicating more honestly about problems rather than just misusing the &#8220;employees are our greatest asset&#8221; mantra.  Survival of the mothership shouldn&#8217;t be distinct from employee needs, even if that means some employees needs must be met on another starshipl or voyage!</p>
<p>For an airline, the staff are vitally important (even for Ryanair and lower service-oriented brands).  Their &#8220;unhappiness and discontent&#8221; does matter to the public when it results in service that is way below even basic expectations.  (We could have the Ryanair attitude to disabled passengers debate here!)</p>
<p>Being made redundant or putting up with lower standards of employment are frequently facts of our working lives &#8211; but organisations can still ensure they treat staff with respect in such circumstances.  Besides companies need to maintain the morale of those who are still onboard &#8211; whether that is the passenger or the airline crew.</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention BA unions in retreat over cabincrew &#124; 21st-century PR issues › Paul Seaman's online review -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alan Brighty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Brighty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good summary Paul.  But don&#039;t overlook the fact that not everyone is as perceptive as you.  The public might be impressed but will take the cheapest airline anyway. The ardent activists are too blinded by their own agenda to notice anything else and their less militant colleagues are only in the union in the first place because no one would speak to them if they were not.

But I&#039;m in total agreement that using employees or boards of directors as lynch pins of a PR campaign is complete folly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good summary Paul.  But don&#8217;t overlook the fact that not everyone is as perceptive as you.  The public might be impressed but will take the cheapest airline anyway. The ardent activists are too blinded by their own agenda to notice anything else and their less militant colleagues are only in the union in the first place because no one would speak to them if they were not.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m in total agreement that using employees or boards of directors as lynch pins of a PR campaign is complete folly.</p>
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